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+Network Working Group D. B. McKay
+Request for Comments: 316 A. P. Mulleray
+NIC: 9346 IBM
+ February 23 & 24, 1972
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+ ARPA Network Data Management Working Group
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+ The meeting had two different phases. The first included
+ presentations of applications of networks and development work in the
+ design to allow data sharing in a computer network, the second was a
+ working meeting in which was discussed what the data management
+ working group should do.
+
+Phase I
+
+ JOHN SENIOR, Univ. of Penn. and National Board of Medical Examiners,
+ Phila., PA., described the use of a network to provide access to
+ models that simulate medical behavior of patients. These models are
+ used primarily for teaching and testing physicians. The network
+ provides an interface by which varieties of terminals can connect to
+ and access these models. Other data bases exist to which access
+ through a network may be desirable; however, these data bases have a
+ "polyglot" of organizations making it presently impossible to use
+ foreign data bases.
+
+ HECTOR MAYNEZ, National Library of Medicine, described the MEDLINE
+ system. This has 1000 journals on-line to which access can be made
+ via a network. This network, as the one above, provides the
+ interface for access by various terminals. In this network are four
+ or five computers with other applications such as CAI, clinical
+ diagnosis, etc.
+
+ RAY BEVERIDGE, MITRE, presented the requirements for the WWMCCS
+ (World Wide Military Command and Control System) Network. This
+ network will contain 25 nodes and have a data exchange rate of the
+ order of 10,000,000 characters per day. Three type of data were
+ formulated - query data with response on the order of seconds, daily
+ exchange for updates and reports, and other data for weekly, monthly
+ or as required reports.
+
+ ERICA PEREZ, MITRE, discussed data management for the WWMCCS Network.
+ The two problems are determining the location of desired data, and
+ providing the proper security and reliability for vital data. The
+ location of data bases will be indicated in directories which may
+ automatically determine which segment is applicable to a query. The
+ directory will contain lists of data bases, files users and programs.
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+ The directory can be centralized (all at one location), distributed
+ (split into pieces but where each piece resides at one location)
+ partially replicated (split into pieces but in which certain parts
+ may be replicated at different locations) and completely replicated
+ (the complete directory at all locations).
+
+ The data management system will have to deal with possibly different
+ hardware systems and even different local data managements systems.
+ One solution is to have a standard data management and data
+ description language for transmission of requests and data in the
+ network.
+
+ The system will have to provide capabilities for file transfer,
+ queries, remote batch, and for user communication via a mail box.
+ The security of the data is maintained by checking user id, terminal
+ authorization, process authorization and data authorization.
+
+ BOB BROWN, General Motors Research Lab., described the network of
+ computers at the General Motors Research Center. This network at
+ present consists of an IBM 360/67, a 360/65, a 370/165, three 1800's
+ and a Sigma 5. All of these are primarily for graphics use except
+ the 67 and the 165. An example of how data passes through the
+ network was given. The styling department develops a design on an
+ 1800. Data on this design is sent to the 67 for stress and shape
+ analysis and the results returned to the 1800. After a design is
+ developed, it is sent to the 65-1800 combination for detailed
+ analysis for production. Many of the computers are running GM's own
+ operating systems, and the network control consists of macros added
+ to these operating systems. Interfacing is done by providing
+ specific conversion modules to the called when the specific
+ conversion is required. The 67 will eventually be replaced by a
+ hierarchical multiprocessor based on the CDC Star-100.
+
+ PHIL MESSING, MITRE, is setting up an experiment to test the
+ practicability of interfacing a network standard data management
+ language with local data management systems. In this experiment, a
+ user will make a request in the network language, this request will
+ be transmitted to a node, and translated to the language of this
+ local node. At present, three local systems have been selected to be
+ used - MADAM at MIT, LISTAR and Lincoln Labs., and NASIS at
+ NASA/Ames.
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+ It is not expected that the common data language will be able to
+ handle all possible requests that may be made. The language should
+ be able to handle the most common requests, otherwise, some means of
+ interaction may be set up in order to allow the transmission of more
+ information to the target system than the common language may allow,
+ or finally, a user can utilize the local target language.
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+ At a later stage in the experiment, a user will input a query, the
+ local host will determine where the query is to be sent, the
+ transmission takes place, it is accepted by the target node,
+ translated to the target node's local language and processed.
+
+ ERNIE FORMAN, MITRE, is developing a special, simple data management
+ system specifically for the purpose of measuring and testing
+ organizational techniques for control, directories, and files. The
+ question to be answered is whether each of these three functions
+ should be centralized, or distributed, how, and where. The initial
+ experimental arrangement is to have the control and directory
+ centralized at the Rand node, and the files to be distributed at
+ UCSB, Rand, and BBN. The files are each split vertically and
+ distributed, this organization chosen to present the more difficult
+ case.
+
+ DICK WATSON, SRI, described some extensions of NIC (Network
+ Information Center) that he would like to see, and that would involve
+ network data management facilities. The first would be the ability
+ to process text from one text processor by another. Second, it would
+ eventually be desirable to distribute the NIC journals. A first
+ stage of this would be to have several NLS (Network Library System)
+ systems around the network, each with its own journal. The problems
+ with this first stage would be in coordination of numbering and in
+ organization of the directory. A second stage would be one in which
+ the journal might reside, in part, on other than NLS systems.
+
+ A third extension is to enable the NLS System to use the results of
+ some other cataloging or citation and bibliographic referencing
+ systems as input to the NLS catalogs. The fourth extension would be
+ to enable other data management systems to generate data of more
+ general type and be usable by the NLS.
+
+PHASE II
+
+ The second phase of the meeting was a working meeting to try and
+ organize the committee and try and set up an active working interest
+ group.
+
+ The following names presently form the committee. These are the
+ people who have shown active interest, and are engaged in related
+ activities:
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+ Douglas B. McKay IBM Research (Chairman)
+ Abhay Bhushan MIT
+ Ernie Forman MITRE
+ Dorothy Hopkin University of Illinois
+ Phil Messing MITRE
+ A.P. Mullery IBM Research
+ Erika Perez MITRE
+ A. Shoshani SDC
+ S. Taylor MITRE
+ Bob Thomas BBN
+ Frank Ulmer NBS
+ Dick Watson SRI
+ Dick Winter CCA
+
+ It would be very useful in follow-on meetings to have representative
+ from the Form Machine group. Discussions on various uses of the Form
+ Machine by a Network Data Management facility are bound to come up in
+ later meetings.
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+ A member of the form machine group would be an asset to the Data
+ Management Committee.
+
+ Discussion on network data management covered many aspects of the
+ problem with a general discussion on just what people want to be able
+ to do with a network data facility.
+
+ The following list, gleamed from the discussion, represents the
+ possible stages of development:
+
+ 1. Transmission Facility - the Network Data Control Facility (DCF)
+ is able to route requests for files to the proper node. The
+ location and name must be specified.
+
+ 2. Location Catalog- The DCF now has available to it a catalog which
+ contains the locations of the data sets to be used in the
+ network. Requests for files may be made by name only, the
+ location being determined by the DCF.
+
+ 3. Description Catalog - Descriptions, as well as data sets can be
+ transmitted in the network. It is assumed these descriptions
+ exist as files at local nodes. A target node can make use of the
+ description to properly convert the data set to its own format.
+
+ 4. Data Conversion Modules - Data descriptions are received by this
+ module of the DCF. Based on the descriptions, conversion
+ programs are called or generated which will transform a file to
+ the form required by the target node.
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+ 5. File Access Command Interface - this module is able to convert a
+ request for a file from a network data language to the local
+ language at which the file is located.
+
+ 6. Data Access - This module, an extension of the network data
+ language and the interface modules, allows access to pieces of
+ data as specified in the data language, and generates the proper
+ local access commands.
+
+ 7. Data Management Interface - This is the final stage, at which
+ general types of commands can be interfaced to local data
+ managements systems, providing general interaction among
+ different data amanagement systems at different nodes.
+
+ It was generally agreed that the ability to access all data and
+ different data bases is a goal which is worth achieving. There was
+ discussion in what is the best way to achieve this goal, and the
+ actual implementation techniques that could be used to achieve this.
+ It was agreed that the data base interfacing problem should be
+ studied in more detail and several people more willing to write
+ reports on a representative problem when they have more results from
+ their work.
+
+ There was also a discussion concerning the data language and whether
+ it is suitable or not. One fact should be made clear, the results of
+ this committee should not fail or succeed on the outcome of the data
+ language question. The initial proposal recommends the Datalanguage
+ as de facto standard that will be adopted in the network because of
+ its support and availability. The group should be able to recommend
+ changes when changes are shown to be necessary.
+
+ The Datalanguage discussion did point out the need for having data
+ set descriptions cataloged and referable by name - D. Winter, said
+ that he would look into this problem.
+
+ The proposal (RFC 304) for a network data facility should be read
+ again and discussed in more detail at our next meeting. The proposal
+ says we can implement and achieve a stage 3 capability with what we
+ know today. It would be a useful stepping stone to a stage 5 and
+ stage 6 capability.
+
+ Related to the stages of development described above the following
+ studies are now in progress and will help us answer pertinent
+ questions.
+
+ A. Bhushan is studying a stage 1 type of network operation with
+ extension in local catalogs to contain entries of network data sets
+ of interest locally, to enable automatic calls to foreign data sets.
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+ E. Perez will be studying the network catalog structure in more
+ detail and will publish an RFC on her work.
+
+ Many questions were raised about the use of the data language as a
+ network standard. There are two people that have volunteered writing
+ up their investigations of this important study.
+
+ Frank Ulmer will be looking at various data management systems to see
+ if their data structures are describable in terms of the
+ Datalanguage. In addition, the NIC represents one important network
+ data base that could be distributed through the network. Dick Watson
+ will try to describe the NLS Journal structure in terms of the
+ Datalanguage.
+
+ If there are any other people in the ARPA network or outside within
+ hearing distance of this memo who may know about any real or
+ potential applications of data sharing in a network, please submit an
+ RFC in a letter to someone associated with the Data Management
+ committee describing it.
+
+Appendix -- Meeting Attendees
+
+ William Benedict USAFETAC Bldg. 159 Navy Yard Annex Wash. D.C.
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+ Roy Beveridge MITRE
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+ Abhay Bhushan MIT, Project Mac, Cambridge, Mass.
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+ Bob Brown General Motors Research Lab.
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+ Elizabeth Fong National Bureau of Standards, Wash. D.C.
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+ Ernie Forman MITRE
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+ Glen Grazier USAFETAC Bldg. 159 Navy Yard Annex Wash. D.C.
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+ Dorothy Hopkin U. of Ill., Adv. Comp. Bldg., Urbana, Ill.
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+ Hector S. Maynez National Library of Medicine
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+ Doug B. McKay IBM Research Center
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+ Phil Messing MITRE
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+ Al Mullery IBM Research Center
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+ Erika Perez MITRE
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+ John Senior Univ. of Penn. and National Board of Medical
+ Examiners, Phila. PA.
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+ Arie Shoshani SDC, 2500 Colorado Ave., Santa Monica, Cal.
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+ Martin Snyderman Smithsonian Science Info. Exch., Wash. D.C.
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+ Eric Swarthe National Bureau of Standards, Wash. D.C.
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+ Suzanne Taylor MITRE
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+ Bob Thomas BBN
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+ Frank Ulmer National Bureau of Standards, Wash. D.C.
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+ Dick Watson SRI
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+ Richard Winter Computer Corporation of America
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